Comments on: A golden ring in a swine’s snout, a woman fair and foolish.

By: Stev

Stev — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:10:42 +0000

Thank you, this is a fine article!

By: Stev

Stev — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:09:42 +0000

The true beauty of a woman is to be found in her soul, not in the mask she might wear. St Nicholai Velimirovic speaks of such a mask, and it comes from the earth. This applies to all flesh.

By: Natalia Arzhantseva

Natalia Arzhantseva — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:00:24 +0000

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By: Natalia Arzhantseva

Natalia Arzhantseva — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:48:58 +0000

Once my former colleague, who wants desperately to get married, showed me the photos of women & men, who submitted their questionnaries/anquettas to marriage & also acquaintance agencies. I looked them through I was puzzled as I noticed one very strong tendency in practically all of them: represented people were very decorated – women with much treasure on their faces, ears, hair, much make-up…which all made them look as dolls, and the face expressions – totally artificial. I thought – if they are determined to attract a man, they should have known how to do it…The majority of people are much more aware of this subject than me:-)), thus if they used this tactic, it means it is popular, and it works with men?!
As for men…instead of their faces, on the photos were…pictures of cars, from all sides. Or they themselves in smart, often exquisite cars. I also thought – it should work! As people from "society" declare women seek money, and husbands with much money.
But one thing was unclear for me: if these people seek marriage, or serious relationship – why do they act this way? Why do they diminish themselves so much? Maybe they really feel that without their treasures, make-ups, cars and other "impressive" belongings they cost nothing? that they are absolutely good for nothing – themselves, as PEOPLE, without all this window-dressing… I don't know – maybe what they feel is emptiness, and they have nothing more to offer their future partner than all these trifles & artificial toys?
I wonder – people are so often complain of their wives & husbands, reproach them of indifference, lack of affection…Maybe it's worthwhile remembering what the beginning of everything was? If it was like this – what good might have come of it?! There are of course many serious reasons for an unhappy marriage, but if people deliberately diminish themselves, the relationships from the very beginning, it will be extremely difficult to build something really worthy…Marriage, or any human relationship – is a constant labor, responsibility, shared joy & grief.
People are afraid to remain alone, people want to have their own family…But they are ready to use all resources, act as if they are on a market place…Everything – except for praying to God & working on themselves.
I realise I allow too much criticism, but when I see many unhappy people, I think that have what they wanted.
We are able to share only from what we have ourselves. And if we don't share – we don't have…It is sad if we share the emptiness of our souls.

By: Deborah

Deborah — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:48:01 +0000

>"…this proverb is not only a warning to the pigs…"

Making this a bit more personal, I should have written "this proverb is not only a warning to me to not behave (and thus become) like a swine…" but also a warning for me to be wary in my admiration (or coveting) of the gifts of others.

By: ksenia

ksenia — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:25:55 +0000

Hello,
My daughter's translation reads "a beautiful woman without discretion is like a golden ring in the snout of a swine." The Jerusalem Bible had a knack for a turn of phrase, I thought, and sometimes really got poetic in the translation. It was my first real bible, so I grew up reading it, as well. She liked the Miss Piggy illustration. I was wondering about the meaning of "without discretion". My daughter thought it would be like Lydia Bennett chasing officers, or perhaps a chatty gossip who can't be trusted. Are "foolish" and "without discretion" interchangeable in Proverbs?

By: Deborah

Deborah — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:41:19 +0000

Not only is there the foolishness of vanity over things which are gifts from God, but there is the foolishness of sin, in general. Giving the gift of beauty (or intellect, wit, wealth, intelligence or talent) to a woman–or man, who uses these gifts selfishly, pridefully and foolishly, without discretion, is like putting a beautiful piece of jewelry on a pig. The pig isn't made more attractive and it doesn't benefit from having a ring in its nose. In fact, it is hampered by it. (I read that rings are put on the snouts of pigs to keep them from being able to forage deeply and tear up turf.) And the pig certainly doesn't appreciate the significance and value of a gold nose ring.

In a culture addicted to the vain pursuit of beauty, wealth, celebrity and attention, this proverb is not only a warning to the pigs but to all those who are attracted to bright, shiny objects attached to unclean and dangerous animals.